12:56:49 From Lyn Robinson : Welcome to FanLIS! We are delighted to host this symposium at CityLIS. 12:57:44 From Nele Noppe to All panelists : Hi! 12:58:09 From Aris Emmanouloudis : Hello! I am excited to be here :D 12:58:11 From Ludovica Price to All panelists : Hello from leafy (and cloudy) Surrey, UK! 12:58:37 From Eric Forcier to All panelists : Thank you! Today I am a sponge - excited to take this all in! 12:58:49 From Ludovica Price to All panelists : Me too, Eric! Good to see you here! :) 12:59:00 From carla romero : Hi! 12:59:13 From Ludovica Price : Hello from leafy (and cloudy) Surrey, UK!12:59:28 From Ludovica Price : Good to see you all here! :) 12:59:31 From Emily Friedman to All panelists : Good morning from Auburn, Alabama, USA! 12:59:32 From carla romero : Hello from California!! It’s five in the morning 12:59:38 From Stella Wisdom to All panelists : Greetings from breezy St Albans 12:59:46 From Danielle Pollock to All panelists : Hello from Boston! 12:59:55 From Ludovica Price : You guys are so dedicated! Thank you for getting up at the crack of dawn to join us! 13:00:02 From Stella Wisdom : Greetings from breezy St Albans 13:00:05 From carla romero : :) I’m really excited to be here 13:00:20 From Emily Friedman : Brava, Carla! I thought 7 AM CST was hardcore but you win! 13:00:29 From Nele Noppe to All panelists : yes 13:01:03 From Jade Scott to All panelists : I can hear you. 13:01:07 From carla romero : Thank you emily 13:01:08 From Emily Friedman : Audio working! 13:01:08 From Aris Emmanouloudis : Loud and clear 13:01:09 From Eric Forcier to All panelists : yep! 13:01:10 From Paul Thomas to All panelists : Perfect! 13:01:27 From Rebecca Williams : Hi everyone from rainy Wales 13:01:46 From Nele Noppe to All panelists : Nope 13:01:50 From Suzanne Black : Hello from rainy Scotland! 13:01:58 From Mélanie Bourdaa to All panelists : Hello from France! 13:02:30 From J Nicole Miller (she/her) to carla romero and all panelists : Good morning! I'm glad you could make it :) 13:02:39 From Kaustuv Chakrabarti to All panelists : Greetings from India 13:02:48 From Naomi Jacobs : And hi from also rainy Lancaster :) 13:03:03 From Nele Noppe to All panelists : (I can volunteer as tribute if they need more time) 13:03:13 From Rebecca Williams : The rainy UK! 13:03:52 From Nele Noppe to All panelists : Hi from Belgium, not raining yet but we'll catch up soon! 13:03:57 From Suzanne Black : 🌧🌧🌧☔🌂☂ 13:04:03 From Mikael Gyhagen to All panelists : Hey all. Oslo seems to be making a valiant effort to stay "Not Rainy" 13:04:05 From Eric Forcier to All panelists : Hi from sunny (still slightly snowy) Edmonton, Canada 13:04:15 From Senan Kiryakos to Ludovica Price(Privately) : Hey Ludi! Magnus is going to be presenting for the both of us and I’m pretty sick so probably won’t be talking much. Maybe you could relegate me to Attendee so the panelist screen is less cluttered? Either way is fine though! 13:04:22 From Paul Thomas to All panelists : Hello from Kansas, USA. It’s raining here, too. 13:04:43 From Magnus Pfeffer to All panelists : Hello from Germany. Cloudy with a chance of rain here as well ;) 13:05:57 From Joseph Dunne-Howrie to Ludovica Price(Privately) : I'll keep an eye on the chat. Don't worry :) 13:07:43 From Joseph Dunne-Howrie to All panelists : #FanLIS 13:09:04 From carla romero to All panelists : Nicole! I’m excited :) 13:12:28 From Nele Noppe to All panelists : I miss being able to nod and smile at presenters when they say things I like! 13:13:07 From Aris Emmanouloudis : Me too. And so far, I have nodded a lot. 13:16:10 From Colin Porlezza to All panelists : We are here 13:16:22 From Nele Noppe to All panelists : Thank you, Ludi! 13:16:22 From Melissa Hofmann to All panelists : Very excited to be here! 13:18:09 From Magnus Pfeffer to All panelists : yes, we can hear you well 13:18:41 From Ludovica Price to Joseph Dunne-Howrie(Privately) : Thanks so much, Joe! :) 13:19:44 From Ludovica Price to Senan Kiryakos(Privately) : Hi, Senan, I'll keep you as a co-host, just in case you need to jump in. But if you're not well enough that is fine! I hope you feel better soon! :) 13:21:22 From Senan Kiryakos to Ludovica Price(Privately) : Sure thing, and thanks! Magnus will carry me no doubt. 13:22:04 From Ludovica Price to Senan Kiryakos(Privately) : (thumbs up!) 13:24:27 From Ludovica Price : Yes, I do miss not being able to visually show (and see) enthusiasm! :p 13:25:51 From Melissa Hofmann to All panelists : The interdisciplinarity intrigues me, especially since I index Journal of Fan Studies for the MLA International Bibliography--and it is challenging/been a learning curve to fit concepts into the MLA structure/vocabulary 13:27:40 From Senan Kiryakos : @Melissa - because a of a limited MLA vocabulary? 13:27:48 From Nicolle Lamerichs : What does person mean in this context? Celebrity? 13:28:19 From Ludovica Price : @Melissa, that's really interesting - do you think generally it's hard for formal bibliographical structures to keep up with trends, or is it something particular to fan studies? 13:28:34 From Melissa Hofmann to All panelists : yes...and some terms that are used in fan studies/cultural studies have a different meaning in MLA, like "textual analysis" 13:29:00 From Ludovica Price to Abigail De Kosnik(Privately) : Welcome, Abigail! Glad to see! Hope it's not too onerously early for you! 13:29:27 From Ludovica Price : @melissa - interesting! 13:32:41 From Suzanne Black : I assume the topic modelling one is me! Yay! 13:33:06 From Abigail De Kosnik to Ludovica Price(Privately) : Hi Ludi!! Very happy to be here, even at such an early hour (for me)!!!! Thank you so much for the invitation!!!! 13:33:35 From Ludovica Price to Colin Porlezza(Privately) : You have just under 5 mins 13:34:19 From Melissa Hofmann to All panelists : @Ludi I think it is keeping up with trends and MLA expanding its scope. With MLA you can propose new terms, but that is a challenge, too--to know when to use established terms versus suggesting new ones. How would people search, collocation...For example, there is no word for cons--"conventions" means something else in MLA. I am stuck using "Meeting fans" for this concept. "Fan fiction" isn't currently a term either....it is "fiction fans." I asked about this--and I guess fan fiction has been a debate at MLA at the past.... I argue that it should be under "genres." 13:34:19 From Ludovica Price to Abigail De Kosnik(Privately) : You're welcome! We're really happy to have you here! :) 13:35:35 From Ludovica Price : @Melissa Yeah, I've found with systems like LoC SH it can be hard to get anything updated... I hope the MLA becomes more inclusive! 13:36:32 From Senan Kiryakos : Just checked, surprised locsh has Fan Fiction 13:36:33 From Nele Noppe to Melissa Hofmann and all panelists : Hi Melissa and panelists, I think panelists are sending chat messages only to panelists by default. Attendees who aren't panelists can't see these messages, I'm hearing. Not sure if this default is something that can be changed? 13:36:45 From Kimberly Hirsh : But of course there's a space. 13:36:56 From Kimberly Hirsh : winky face. 13:37:14 From Joseph Dunne-Howrie to All panelists : Thanks Nele 13:37:33 From Ludovica Price : Thanks, @nele. I can't see a place to change the default.... 13:37:57 From Joseph Dunne-Howrie to All panelists : You have to select All Panelists and Attendees in the To: box above 13:37:57 From Amy Spitz : @Kimberly - a real pain to update tags when i import into zotero! 13:38:39 From Ludovica Price : @senan, yes, LoCSH has some basic fan-related SH's now! 13:39:01 From Senan Kiryakos : Progress 🤝 13:39:06 From Ludovica Price : Yep! :) 13:39:11 From Joseph Dunne-Howrie to Ludovica Price(Privately) : Panelists are just writing to each other in the chat. They need to select Panelists and Attendees in the To: box. Maybe make an announcement after this paper? 13:39:22 From Joseph Dunne-Howrie to Ludovica Price(Privately) : Nele has commented on it 13:39:42 From Ludovica Price to Joseph Dunne-Howrie(Privately) : yep, will do 13:40:27 From Alice M. Kelly (she/her) : This is such useful advice! 13:41:11 From Nele Noppe : I feel very seen by this meme 13:41:24 From carla romero : Nice job guys!! 13:41:28 From Kimberly Hirsh : Meme is delightful. 13:41:32 From Naomi Jacobs : Brilliant. Please share the meme! 13:41:55 From Melissa Hofmann : I wish I could enter the author keywords when I index Journal of Fandom Studies for MLA. That's only put in for journals where MLA has set up for autodata population. Bibliographers are not supposed to enter them. This affects access-- sigh 13:48:51 From Ludovica Price : I totally feel you @melissa 13:49:36 From Ludovica Price : Don't forget, everyone! If you have any questions for our speakers, you can put them here, on in the Q&A box, anonymously, which as the bottom of your screen! :) 13:50:47 From Nele Noppe : Would love to hear more about specific tool(s) you're using for turning data into RDF 13:52:34 From Senan Kiryakos : @Nele, I forget how much of our presentation goes into it, but we do sql / json transformations into RDF using python & the ‘rdflib’ package 13:56:17 From Ludovica Price to Magnus Pfeffer(Privately) : You have a couple of minutes left 13:56:33 From Nele Noppe : Thank you! Still learning RDF-related tools myself, but I'm always casting about for cool examples and user-friendly tools for interacting with RDF data (hoping to make this more accessible to researchers at our faculty who often don't have much of a technical background) 13:56:40 From Kimberly Hirsh : This is so amazing. 13:57:19 From Emily Friedman : The Advanced Research Consortium is building a new tool, Corpora, for turning CSV into RDF for incorporation into our aggregator. 13:58:05 From Senan Kiryakos : @Nele yes, same! Before learning all this I was using OpenRefine which is probably what a lot of people use as it’s pretty straightforward for table — > RDF transformation. If you can setup python and a jupyter notebook to share with researchers, that could also be an accessible-ish option 13:58:46 From Nele Noppe : Ooooh, thank you both! 13:59:35 From Senan Kiryakos : Emily, any link? 13:59:46 From Senan Kiryakos : Maybe nothing public yet 14:01:02 From Emily Friedman : It’s still in development for a bit! 14:01:16 From Senan Kiryakos : Will keep an eye out! 14:03:07 From Stella Wisdom : can the link be pasted into the chat please 14:03:19 From Zoltan Kacsuk : https://jvmg.iuk.hdm-stuttgart.de/ 14:03:23 From carla romero : Nice job! You did great! 14:03:24 From Stella Wisdom : thanks 14:03:34 From Danielle Pollock to All panelists : Thank you! 14:03:34 From Nele Noppe : Thank you! 14:04:06 From Magnus Pfeffer to Ludovica Price(Privately) : Sorry I was thinking we had 25 Minutes each 14:04:19 From Magnus Pfeffer to Ludovica Price(Privately) : I hope I did not take too long 14:04:49 From Ludovica Price to Magnus Pfeffer(Privately) : It's fine, don't worry! I think you had a lot of interest, so it was good to keep it going :) 14:05:09 From Mikael Gyhagen : Corpora was demoed at the LINCS conference. but I can't find a recording of it sadly 14:06:16 From Emily Friedman : It also makes me think that there should be a Fan Studies node for ARC (I direct the 18th century one, there’s a Disability Studies node coming online as ARC moves from period-specific nodes to concept/disciplinary nodes) 14:06:19 From Janan Nuri to All panelists : I remember this! :D 14:07:06 From Janan Nuri : This was so much fun xD 14:12:45 From Ludovica Price : This completely passed me by! Sounds like I missed a good thing! 14:14:30 From Nele Noppe : Me too. I love these sorts of deep dives into specific fan things that didn't touch any fannish or academic communities I was in at the time. There's always so much more out there than what we see 14:14:57 From Ludovica Price : 100% 14:15:16 From Ludovica Price : So many fandoms, so few eyes! 14:16:19 From Joseph Dunne-Howrie to All panelists : Twitch did a rolling stream of 1960s Dr Who a while ago. It's my expert opinion that Twitch is a good and necessary thing :) 14:16:34 From Senan Kiryakos : ‘Twitch Plays’ is it’s own category on Twitch now if anyone is curious to see what people are playing - https://www.twitch.tv/directory/game/Twitch%20Plays 14:16:40 From Suzanne Black : this is super-interesting 14:16:53 From Joseph Dunne-Howrie : Twitch did a rolling stream of 1960s Dr Who a while ago. It's my expert opinion that Twitch is a good and necessary thing :) 14:17:11 From Kimberly Hirsh : Twitch revived Bob Ross's work, for which I am very grateful because it's super easy to find now. 14:18:17 From Joseph Dunne-Howrie : I imagine that got a lot of hits after the recent series of Drag Race 14:18:27 From Ludovica Price : There is SO much amazing stuff going on on Twitch right now 14:18:43 From Kimberly Hirsh : I'm overwhelmed by it. 14:18:50 From Ludovica Price : My sis streams live fanart tutorials on Stream 14:18:59 From Ludovica Price : *Twitch 14:19:11 From Naomi Jacobs : I co-wrote a paper about the Doctor Who stream, there was some really interesting reactions from people watching it! 14:19:24 From Kimberly Hirsh : And I wonder if the slow academic publishing process makes it hard to look at emerging platforms as this happens. 14:19:52 From Suzanne Black : @Naomi - your paper on that at FSN was fascinating 14:19:55 From Kimberly Hirsh : (I know Twitch has been around for a while but I haven't seen it much in the literature.) 14:20:27 From Naomi Jacobs : This collaborative playing thing is fascinating though, I haven't heard about it before 14:20:35 From Ludovica Price : Me neither! 14:21:32 From Janan Nuri : It's a shame if there isn't a lot about it in literature :( Twitch is a great platform. I even watched a live wizard-rock set on there during first lockdown from Tonks and the Aurors 14:21:51 From Kimberly Hirsh : That's awesome. 14:21:53 From Ludovica Price : oh wow! 14:22:08 From Senan Kiryakos : Stream the next FanLIS 🤔 14:22:11 From Kimberly Hirsh : I have a friend who DJs goth nights at local clubs who started streaming sets and giving proceeds to the clubs. 14:22:34 From J Nicole Miller (she/her) : Someone actually started to do something like Twitch Plays on AO3 a couple days ago! They made a gif-based crowd play version of Doom that you can play (when it doesn't crash because of the server being overwhelmed) https://archiveofourown.org/works/31295183 14:22:36 From Janan Nuri : ah that's a fantastic way to support them at the moment! 14:22:45 From Senan Kiryakos : Oh yeah streaming club sets during lockdown was great. 14:23:11 From Rebecca Williams : This is a great book about Twitch https://www.amazon.co.uk/Watch-Play-Streaming-Princeton-Technology/dp/0691183554/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=watch+me+play&qid=1621516956&sr=8-1 14:24:06 From Suzanne Black : I've seen some people stream their thesis defenses on Twitch as well. Oh, the possibilities! 14:24:30 From Janan Nuri : that was fantastic aris, thank you! 14:24:42 From Rebecca Williams : Great paper! 14:24:53 From Nicolle Lamerichs : seconding rebecca's recommendation on tl taylor's book. This was such a great paper btw, thank you aris! 14:25:44 From Nicolle Lamerichs : can the doc also be linked in the chat? for some reason i didn't receive it. 14:25:58 From Ludovica Price : Here is the link to Nele's doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/19PbNM8WwUVR8J4PDkm2w0Y9cLHa6sVoRt02ivgGdj9A/edit# 14:26:48 From Kimberly Hirsh : Ooh me. Engaging with scholarly publishing makes me tired. 14:26:51 From Aris Emmanouloudis : Thank you all ^_^ 14:32:42 From Ludovica Price : Feel free to start filling in the doc now, if you want! 14:32:50 From Aris Emmanouloudis : An interactive presentation! I love it :D 14:33:18 From Nicolle Lamerichs : i have to jump out for an urgent department meeting for a moment but will be back soon. This is so interesting, thank you nele. 14:34:06 From Marianne Gunderson to All panelists : Can you re-post the link to the doc? I just arrived and can’t see it 14:34:49 From Ludovica Price : https://docs.google.com/document/d/19PbNM8WwUVR8J4PDkm2w0Y9cLHa6sVoRt02ivgGdj9A/edit# 14:40:50 From Naomi Jacobs : This is a fantastic idea and lots of interesting potential both in the concept itself but also how it might be developed! 14:41:49 From Alice M. Kelly (she/her) : That's such a lovely idea, Nele! Joy in Academic Publishing :D 14:42:19 From Ludovica Price : Scholarly Comms and publishing is such a chore, we need some joy in it! :D 14:42:22 From Suzanne Black : This is so fun! 14:46:09 From Senan Kiryakos : https://elag.org/ 14:47:48 From Nele Noppe : Thank you! 14:48:07 From Colin & Eleonora : What does person mean in this context? Celebrity? 14:48:23 From Colin & Eleonora : Actually in the study “persons” indicate fans 14:48:44 From Colin & Eleonora : And this is really tricky because it means that scholars are using 2 words for the same things 14:49:38 From Colin & Eleonora : yes...and some terms that are used in fan studies/cultural studies have a different meaning in MLA, like "textual analysis" 14:49:53 From Colin & Eleonora : That’s another problem we observed 14:50:09 From Claire Baker : The thing about people knowing what they’re talking about when figuring out tags is an issue in tag wrangling, both in terms of the same word meaning different things “pool” for example as in “swimming” and “billiards” and also in multifandom things (which I assume may also be an issue with interdisciplinary works), things that are meaningful to one person may be not at all to another, and it’s easy for those to be misfiled. 14:50:18 From Colin & Eleonora : There is a big need for integrations of keywords in order to be properly understood by other scholars 14:50:44 From Danielle Pollock to All panelists : Speaks to the kind of hard work tag wranglers on such a system would have to do (and the need to reward that work) 14:52:19 From Melissa Hofmann to All panelists : Thanks, Colin & Eleonora! 14:52:46 From Ludovica Price : Absolutely @Danielle - tag wranglers work so hard, but are essentially invisible. 14:53:14 From Colin & Eleonora : Invisible and yet SOOOOOOO crucial 14:53:26 From Ludovica Price : 100% 14:53:59 From Melissa Hofmann to All panelists : Also, as an author in TWC, I kept wondering, are my keywords the best keywords, especially writing interdisciplinarily and coming from a literature background... 14:54:34 From Eric Forcier : @Aris awesome, thanks! Really fascinating practice represented by TPP 14:54:56 From Colin & Eleonora : @Melissa That is also what I ask myself everytime I write a scientific paper 14:55:14 From Magnus Pfeffer : As it will not be possible to manually merge tags from all the communities, we will be exploring automated approaches (coocurrance, semantic similarity, etc.) in our project 14:55:32 From Colin & Eleonora : Interestingly I didn’t have the same doubts when I wrote fan fictions (but that is possibly because I was younger and more naif ;P 14:55:43 From Magnus Pfeffer : this might also be useful for the communities who could use that information as well 14:56:10 From Ludovica Price : @magnus - yes, I was going to ask whether you would be asking for 'tag wranglers' or a team of volunteers to help, or whether you would be seeking automated solutions 14:56:13 From Melissa Hofmann to All panelists : @Colin@Eleonora..Good to know I'm not alone.... And TWC does not allow keywords that are mentioned in the title...which confused me and influenced by keyword choices. 14:56:18 From Nele Noppe : Re: keywords/tags, now I really want a study comparing how tags or keywords work across a range of platforms. AO3 is the best-known example in English-language fan studies circles, but other famous platforms like Pixiv, etc., have entirely different but very complex tagging systems. 14:56:40 From Colin & Eleonora : Absolutely. And @Magnus as a huge anime/manga fan I feel the need to thank you publicly for your (and your co-author/co-researcher) efforts! 14:56:57 From Ludovica Price : @nele, I know nothing about Pixiv, so I think this would be really interesting to learn about 14:57:06 From Nele Noppe : And I have no idea about how Twitch works, but if @Aris has time later, I'd love to hear about if/how keywords or tags play a role on that platform 14:57:15 From Magnus Pfeffer : @nele I personally am deeply impressed by anidb.net and their efforts to create a consistent tag system 14:58:10 From Ludovica Price : I would love to learn more about these tagging systems! 14:58:43 From carla romero : I’m pretty sure ao3 is working on a blocking feature right now 14:58:51 From Ludovica Price : That's good! 14:58:57 From Senan Kiryakos : @nele re:twitch, pretty robust https://www.twitch.tv/directory/all/tags 14:59:18 From carla romero : Two separate features, actually- blocking would keep anyone from interacting with your work, and muting would keep you from seeing someone else's 14:59:50 From Kimberly Hirsh : *applause* 15:01:27 From Colin & Eleonora : @Ludi and @Aris I find this attitude by Nintendo very curious since not so much time ago they blocked more than 100 games (old games) that were played by people (crowdsourced) 15:01:57 From Colin & Eleonora : They basically enforced their intellectual property over these old games 15:02:02 From Ludovica Price : Yeah, they're super protective of their IP's! 15:02:28 From Aris Emmanouloudis : @Nele It does. When you start streaming, you can categorise the type of content you are showing, so viewers can know what each channel streams. 15:02:33 From Mikael Gyhagen : I may be wrong about the timing, but I think it landed in the middle of the emerging Speed Running trend? 15:02:51 From carla romero : I can’t unmute myself but I would applaud if I could 15:02:52 From Kimberly Hirsh : Yay everybody! 15:03:00 From Eric Forcier : Thanks everyone! Loving it! 15:03:01 From carla romero : You guys all did great! These were really interesting 15:03:07 From Rebecca Williams : Thanks all 15:03:21 From Stella Wisdom : I can't unmute, but I clapped silently :-) 15:03:28 From Nele Noppe : @carla Indeed, thank you! I think this is an area where (parts of) fandom have a lot to teach academia. I don't want to glorify/elevate discussions about issues like racism in fan communities, because they're very far from ideal, but they have led to some very concrete proposals that do have potential 15:03:34 From Melissa Hofmann to All panelists : all. the. applause 15:03:41 From Alice M. Kelly (she/her) : Really interesting panel, thanks everyone! 15:12:25 From Eric Forcier : @Nele just wondering if the Google Doc will remain open for editing for a short time after the conference? (I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm still waiting for my morning coffee to kick in...) 15:14:16 From Ludovica Price : Hi @eric, I think the doc will be available to edit after the event :) 15:14:35 From Eric Forcier : Thanks! 15:18:44 From Nele Noppe : Yes, it'll stay open for now! To be honest, I'm blown away by everyone's input and reassessing how to move ahead, because wow. At the very least, let's keep the doc open until further notice. I personally love the idea of publishing something in TWC, but how we organize that in practice is something we can get back to after some pondering. 15:20:14 From Aris Emmanouloudis : Hello again! 15:20:38 From Nele Noppe : So when is the next FanLIS? 15:20:38 From Eric Forcier : Yes, really exciting to see so much enthusiasm!! 15:20:41 From Melissa Hofmann to All panelists : Yes!!! this is fantastic! 15:21:39 From Amy Spitz : Has anyone considered creating a FanLIS community of practice? With monthly or bimonthly webinar meetings and themed discussions? 15:21:49 From Rebecca Williams : Looking forward to this next session! 15:22:13 From Emily Friedman : Or a standing Discord? 15:22:14 From Nele Noppe : Mailing list? 15:22:21 From Nele Noppe : Oh Discord! 15:22:38 From Magnus Pfeffer : no more email please :) 15:22:49 From Claire Baker : A Symposium Of Our Own (aso3) 15:22:56 From Amy Spitz : (thinking of the LIS Pedagogy Chats community of practice: https://www.lispedagogychat.org/ ) 15:23:11 From Ludovica Price : Yes, email overload is a thing @magnus! 15:23:16 From Kimberly Hirsh : I've been thinking of trying to pull together a #FanLIS research network like the Meme Studies Research Network if other folks are interested. 15:23:29 From Amy Spitz : @Claire - i love that title 😆 15:23:45 From Ludovica Price : @Kimberley - I do think this needs to be a thing! 15:23:47 From Kimberly Hirsh : https://memestudiesrn.wordpress.com/ 15:23:48 From J Nicole Miller (she/her) : @Kimberly I'm totally here for that! 15:23:50 From Amy Spitz : @Kimberly - definitely count me in! 15:23:59 From Ludovica Price : of course, I'd be interested! 15:24:11 From Kimberly Hirsh : I'm not saying I'm just saying I definitely went to my domain registrar during the break and looked up the cost for fanlis.org... 15:24:31 From Claire Baker : That is a good use of the break, @Kimberly. 15:24:36 From Ludovica Price : :O 15:25:13 From Mikael Gyhagen : @Kimberly I think it's unanimously decided at this point, that it needs to happen 15:25:21 From Ludovica Price : Umm.... YEAH! 15:25:40 From Kimberly Hirsh : And thought that putting together a reading list using RDF and SparQL would be a good project for me to learn those technologies... 15:25:51 From Ludovica Price : It would be nice to have FanLIS on it's own domain, rather than on a blog.... 15:25:52 From Ludovica Price : ;) 15:26:02 From Aris Emmanouloudis : +1 15:26:16 From Nele Noppe : +1 15:26:16 From Kimberly Hirsh : I figure there can be a Fan LIS network and then City LIS's FanLIS project can essentially be a node. 15:26:31 From Ludovica Price : Defo! 15:27:16 From Ludovica Price : I wish Zoom had a 'like' button! 15:27:26 From Kimberly Hirsh : (I also may be in touch in the future as my husband is applying for a Fulbright and hoping to work with CityLIS on OER? and so if we're there ANYWAY...) 15:28:25 From Ludovica Price : Oooh! yes, please do get in touch, Kimberley! That sounds amazing! 15:29:03 From Linnea Minich to All panelists : Yes! 15:31:56 From Nele Noppe : I love that we're going back to affect 15:35:36 From Nele Noppe : :D 15:36:32 From Ludovica Price : I love that this pic is set in a library 15:37:45 From Kimberly Hirsh : Okay I made a Discord. Code of conduct etc to come, will probably lean heavily on the fanstudies grad student Discord as an example. Maybe the Centre for Fantasy and the Fantastic server too. https://discord.gg/XsggXZNv 15:38:17 From AbigailDe Kosnik : Also most of the characters in the show are from storybooks so the library setting is especially apt 15:38:38 From Ludovica Price : Indeed! :) 15:38:50 From Ludovica Price : @kimberley - thanks! 15:39:57 From Nele Noppe : Question for Alice: do you think something like this plundering happens in the context of academic research as well? I remember we had fun trying to cast my Japanese literature professor as a haiku fan who just uses fancy words to write his meta about his favorite media/is not that different from a fan, in other words 15:41:03 From Nele Noppe : (Waiting for the reference list to pop up again so I can screenshot that) 15:42:20 From Melissa Hofmann : Laurel Richardson's quote really resonates 15:43:51 From Suzanne Black : great paper! 15:43:54 From carla romero : This is so interesting dude 15:44:03 From Kimberly Hirsh : I agree with Melissa about the quote. 15:44:13 From AbigailDe Kosnik : I wish more literary and film studies scholars would acknowledge their fannishness and their own affective and highly personal investments in their objects of study — scholarship and higher ed would be better off for it 15:44:13 From Amy Spitz : @Nele reminds me of angering some of the stuffier scholars by describing certain canonical literature as “bible fanfiction” 15:44:26 From Jac Cof : Thank you! That was really interesting 15:44:45 From Kimberly Hirsh : Would be great to see positionality go beyond social sciences and into humanities more. 15:44:51 From Kimberly Hirsh : Yay Nicole! 15:45:01 From Taylor Faires to All panelists : I’m really interested in this with regards to queer high school students and their experiences with The Great Gatsby. Can’t speak for everywhere but certainly in where I am in the states, the queer subtext is either completely ignored or outright denied (and rather angrily). 15:45:21 From Amy Spitz : Yay Nicole! Can’t wait to see all of your future work :) 15:46:19 From Rebecca Williams : @Abigail absolutely! So frustrating to see lit and film scholars backing away from their own fannish investments 15:46:39 From Alice M. Kelly (she/her) : @Nele Yes! Forgot to mention that *I* am plundering the literal digital archive Conrad First for bodies I can use - it's meee! 15:46:52 From Amy Spitz : OMG that meme is so me 15:47:31 From Taylor Faires to All panelists : That meme embodies my phone’s incognito browser 15:47:35 From Nele Noppe : @Alice Yay, I can't wait to tell our prof :D 15:47:53 From AbigailDe Kosnik : @Rebecca Yes, there’s a quite well-known piece by a scholar about the shame they feel around their pop music fandom, and I always wonder at scholars walking around with all this shame around their own fandoms 15:48:11 From carla romero : Wait hang on I love the idea of fandom based pesudonyms 15:48:14 From carla romero : Thats amazing 15:49:13 From Marianne Gunderson : @Alice Loved your talk!! I co-wrote a paper about fannish affect in research methodology, might be relevant? Here: https://journal.transformativeworks.org/index.php/twc/article/view/1747 15:50:49 From Alice M. Kelly (she/her) : OMG @Marianne, this looks great! Also excellent keywords ;) definitely adding this to my reading list, thank you! 15:51:57 From Amy Spitz : Would love to see the comparison on teens now vs teens even 10-20 years ago with fanfic! I remember printing out fanfic and putting it in a binder to read at school 😂 15:51:57 From Ingrid . to All panelists : super interesting evolution as someone who found it at middle school age but via the internet which I only had access to at the school library 15:52:12 From Ingrid . to All panelists : yesss @amy 15:52:29 From Ingrid . : yessss super interesting evolution as someone who found it at middle school age but via the internet which I only had access to at the school library 15:52:39 From Kimberly Hirsh : Connective ethnography of a particular fanfic friend group could be really interesting. This has been done with a group of MMORPG players. 15:52:59 From Amy Spitz : @Kimberly now I 15:53:18 From Amy Spitz : now i’m thinking about how to convince my high school friends to let me do this haha 15:53:27 From Ludovica Price : The default scholarly response to me saying I was studying fans was that I was studying fans (as in the objects), since the library school is based in the School of Mathematics, Computing and Engineering. Their faces would go blank when I said I was studying fans (people) 15:53:39 From AbigailDe Kosnik : My interviewing also shows a strong link between fic reading and comfort during stressful times and times of illness 15:54:15 From Ludovica Price : Oh absolutely... I read fic on my horrible commutes into work, it gives me comfort 15:54:21 From Alice M. Kelly (she/her) : great section on podfics in Rogue Archives 15:54:25 From AbigailDe Kosnik : @Ludi I love that — I’m sure there are many fans (people) of fans (objects) 15:54:39 From Ludovica Price : There definitely are! XD 15:54:51 From Ludovica Price : Podfics are great! 15:55:00 From Taylor Faires to All panelists : TikTok is full with not only fanfiction readers but fandoms for individual fics. I really think it’s grown the fanfiction reading community. 15:55:29 From Ingrid . to All panelists : reading fic was my main hobby around when I was exploring identity and eventually came out as non binary 15:55:34 From Ludovica Price : @taylor - wow interesting! 15:55:43 From Ingrid . : reading fic was my main hobby around when I was exploring identity and eventually came out as non binary 15:56:07 From Emily Friedman : Except for the phenomenon of fan binding and that AO3 allows for export into printable formats 15:56:10 From Kimberley Chiu : I can relate to the preference for physical books - it's how I know i'm reading published fiction and not fanfic haha 15:56:13 From AbigailDe Kosnik : I used to print out fic to read it lol 15:56:30 From Kimberley Chiu : reading non-fanfic on my phone makes me feel sad that it's not fanfic 15:56:31 From Amy Spitz : @Kimberley Chiu - same here! 15:56:48 From Sarah Kate Merry : I have a massive collection of printed zines. It's like a physical mapping of my fandom obsessions... 15:56:51 From AbigailDe Kosnik : Now I read 100% of fic and 99% of fiction and scholarly articles and books on screens 15:57:09 From Naomi Jacobs : I'm much more likely to read fic when I'm travelling because I don't particularly like ebooks, so if I want digital reading material on my phone I'll go to Ao3! 15:57:26 From AbigailDe Kosnik : @Kimberly haha 15:58:02 From Naomi Jacobs : (Not that I've been doing much travelling recently...) 15:58:41 From Kimberley Chiu : librarians are scary! :o 15:58:41 From Sarah Kate Merry : I read 99% of my fanfic on a tablet, but anything else that's digital goes on my ereader. Weird. 15:59:06 From Amy Spitz : I’M a librarian, and i still can’t think of a time i approached a librarian for a book rec (apart from when i had to for a class assignment in library school) 15:59:09 From AbigailDe Kosnik : I am surprised by how many undergrads ask me to recommend “one book I should read right now” 15:59:30 From Kimberly Hirsh : I actually um am a librarian and now that I think about it never approached a librarian for a rec either. Oh no! 15:59:30 From Ingrid . : thats so interesting and says a lot about the lack of tagging on things like Goodreads 15:59:36 From Kimberly Hirsh : But I love doing RA! 15:59:39 From Claire Baker : Reader’s Advisory is a vastly underused tool. 15:59:40 From Amy Spitz : @Abigail - any chance its part of an assignment, perhaps for a gen ed class? 15:59:47 From Ludovica Price : I think a lot of students find it daunting to approach librarians, for whatever reason. 15:59:47 From Taylor Faires to All panelists : @Emily with regards to the creating physical books, the TikTok fandom I was referring to is about a fic called To All The Young Dudes. It spurred a bunch of artists to create a cover for the printed book so people could have physical copies. 16:00:12 From AbigailDe Kosnik : @Amy The students come from all diff majors so I don’t think it’s a class but I wonder if it’s a meme on IG or other social? 16:00:17 From Kimberly Hirsh : I know people see a librarian at a desk and might think they're interrupting important work. 16:00:37 From Kimberley Chiu : I've been trying to tell my library that we NEED to start introducing trope tags to our catalogue! 16:00:38 From Amy Spitz : @Abigail - or a general education course? 16:00:41 From Kimberley Chiu : they do not believe me :( 16:00:54 From Kimberly Hirsh : BTW I did a little (free) consulting with NoveLIst about using more fic-like tags in their catalogue and they are (Slowly) working on it 16:01:01 From Rebecca Williams : I wonder how much of this is linked to national/cultural specificity - thinking about doujinshi as physical objects to collect for example 16:01:09 From carla romero : Sometimes you just have the vaguest reviews. riveting. A masterpiece. Ok thanks I literally do not care what happens in your book 16:01:13 From Ludovica Price : Adding tags to catalogues tend not to be used very much, I think :( 16:01:42 From Ingrid . : the only times I had these conversations with users in a college library was when I was reading at the desk which was probably not what I was meant to do haha 16:01:49 From AbigailDe Kosnik : @Amy one thing all freshman at our uni get is a single book or album in common that they are all kind of made to read, so maybe they carry forward that thinking into their later college experience, always looking for that one book they need to get into at the moment 16:01:59 From Mikael Gyhagen : Ah, the eternal "Why can't everything be folksonomies?" question 16:02:21 From Kimberley Chiu : @ludi I think that might be because there isn't a tagging culture outside of fandom/fanfic communities - but librarians could introduce this and push it, potentially? 16:02:35 From Amy Spitz : Another problem is that RA resources are not exactly easy/free to access. NoveList has some similar tools, but they have to find access (library subscription, etc.) whereas they can go to AO3 from anywhere 16:02:47 From AbigailDe Kosnik : Omg I love the idea of trope-themed book displays 16:02:55 From Kimberly Hirsh : You can also leverage social for RA this way - a TikTok video with a trope and then you hold up a bunch of books... 16:02:56 From AbigailDe Kosnik : I do see trope-themed lists on book blogs 16:03:00 From Amy Spitz : I love AO3 tags 16:03:08 From Ludovica Price : @kimberley Chiu - yes, I think it's a cultural thing, and I think it's a case of getting library users invested in the way fans are, which I'm still puzzling over 16:03:26 From Suzanne Black : Has anyone had any experience with TagCat, who are trying to tag published novels life fanfic https://tagcat.org/? 16:03:33 From Emily Friedman : I am wondering if this is an important distinction between fanfic now and many other genres, as well — fanfic as a mode of satisfying desire, and not all fiction is trying to … do that? 16:03:34 From Suzanne Black : *like 16:03:36 From Janan Nuri : Trope themed recommendations is such a brilliant idea! 16:03:37 From Nele Noppe : Question for Nicole: Are there any libraries of any kind that use an interface where readers can add their own tags to items? Tags that are then visible to other readers, not just to, say, a logged-in user? 16:03:38 From Amy Spitz : This all reminds me of every project i did for my reference class, my romance genre class, even some cataloging-based classes... 16:03:58 From Brenna Edwards : Thinking about it, I use tropes to convince friends to read books. I love romance Twitter for this too - you ask for a trope, and they will respond 16:03:59 From AbigailDe Kosnik : @Suzanne thanks for that link! 16:04:47 From Kimberly Hirsh : NICOLE YOU ARE KILLING ME WITH THAT GIF I AM GOING TO CRY. Sorry for the caps, I have very intense Buffy feelings. 16:04:48 From Suzanne Black : @Abigail You're welcome! 16:04:52 From AbigailDe Kosnik : @Emily I think about that a lot 16:05:14 From Ludovica Price : PSA: if you have any questions you want to ask anonymously, you can use the Q&A box at the bottom of the screen! 16:05:15 From carla romero : Dude this is so interesting 16:05:21 From Erin Black : Claire Payne did some related work (looking at traditional library systems vs Ao3 for retrieving LGBTQ+ recreational reading) https://cdr.lib.unc.edu/concern/masters_papers/v118rh96v?locale=en 16:05:24 From Naomi Jacobs : Really cool stuff 16:05:30 From Alice M. Kelly (she/her) : That was so great!!! 16:05:31 From Jac Cof : Thank you Nicole! 16:05:45 From Kimberly Hirsh : Yay! I haven't looked into it but I intuitively think pleasure reading is so understudied. 16:05:57 From Mikael Gyhagen : Thanks Nicole! Very interesting 16:06:02 From Nikki Werner to All panelists : Nicole that was so interesting. Go TERPS! 16:06:17 From Kimberly Hirsh : Yay Paul! 16:06:21 From Eric Forcier : Thank you Nicole! Really interesting work, I look forward to hearing/reading more! 16:06:28 From Kimberly Hirsh : Great job, Nicole! 16:07:20 From Amy Spitz : Library database difficulty is a thing i always address when teaching info lit - lots of explaining “they are clunky and difficult to get around BUT they do have some info that google doesn’t” and comparing “subject terms” to boring versions of hashtags 16:07:37 From Suzanne Black : Love Adventure Time! 16:08:12 From Kimberly Hirsh : Lady Rainicorn is my fave <3 16:08:52 From Janan Nuri : Marceline and Princess Bubblegum all the way <3 16:08:54 From Suzanne Black : Marceline forever <3 16:09:19 From Kimberly Hirsh : Rolling my eyes at "Where are the numbers?" 16:09:38 From Rebecca Williams : Autoethnography yay! 16:09:53 From Eric Forcier : yeah, I definitely relate with that feeling 16:10:23 From Amy Spitz : You’d love my Qualitative Methods professor (Lori Kendall at UIUC) - lots of discussion on getting past the “numbers” mindset, plus we did a collaborative auto ethnography on the pandemic as our final project of the class 16:11:00 From Kimberly Hirsh : My qual professor George Noblitt (now retired) was great too and my other qual professor Sherick Hughes did autoethnography for his diss. 16:11:22 From Kimberly Hirsh : George emphasized alternate representations of qual findings and conclusions, too - via performance or other possibilities. 16:13:34 From Claire Baker : This just reminds me of The Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi. (good luck trying to figure out the right order with that series.) 16:13:35 From Nicolle Lamerichs : Interesting! I apply autoethnographic approaches too (sometimes as the primary method but other times mixed with other methods). Thick descriptions are such a great approach for fan studies, and interesting how Paul also reflects on his wikipedia experiences. 16:14:39 From Amy Spitz : These kinds of network decisions (similar to publishers deciding to change series #ing and where that info exists in bib info) always feel like a personal attack on the lives of catalogers and metadata workers 16:14:54 From Melissa Hofmann : @Amy lol 16:15:48 From Nele Noppe : These talk page discussions are fascinating 16:16:15 From Nicolle Lamerichs : very interesting dynamics between the creative team/showrunner and the fans here too 16:16:30 From AbigailDe Kosnik : Season/episode numbering can be a huge question in pirate communities 16:16:51 From Kimberly Hirsh : @Abigail makes sense! How do you know you're getting what you're trying to? 16:16:52 From AbigailDe Kosnik : I’ve seen just about everything with the numbering of holiday specials for example 16:17:26 From Naomi Jacobs : This reminds me of discussions in (old school) Doctor Who fandom about what to call early episodes that didn't have 'official' individual titles 16:17:56 From AbigailDe Kosnik : One default is “episode 00” like “season 10 episode 00” for the holiday special(s) but I hate that, personally — and you often get multiple “ep 00”s in a single season 16:17:58 From Amy Spitz : All fascinating when I consider that my cataloging class considered sources like Wikipedia and IMDB to be “credible” sources for info like chapter/episode titles, pub dates, etc. 16:18:37 From Nele Noppe : Now very curious what librarians who have, say, Adventure Time DVDs in their collections did with the metadata for this 16:19:01 From Ludovica Price : Ha, this is all really fascinating! It's almost a case of authorial authenticity 16:19:09 From Amy Spitz : Once the info is in the catalog, it’s less likely to be updated or somehow include other versions of the “truth” 16:19:43 From Ludovica Price : Right, updating catalogue entries is a tough task... we have so many that need updating, we just don't have the manpower 16:20:04 From Amy Spitz : Which then means that people using the catalog can’t find things if they are searching using newer/alternative versions 16:20:19 From Kimberly Hirsh : Just nodded about Avignon papacy. Fan schisms abound. 16:20:22 From Amy Spitz : (a great reason to consider integrating user-generated tags) 16:20:28 From AbigailDe Kosnik : I wonder about differences in ordination between showrunners and networks — wasn’t Firefly aired “out of order” by Fox? 16:20:29 From Ludovica Price : Me tooooo Kimberley 16:20:33 From Senan Kiryakos : Egregiously liberal use of the MARC 5xx fields 16:20:52 From Kimberly Hirsh : Firefly was aired out of order, DVD order is usually treated as "official" 16:20:57 From Kimberley Chiu : do you think this also stems from fandom's sense of ownership over "their" properties? 16:20:59 From Ludovica Price : Ahh, good old handy MARC 5xx 16:21:13 From Kimberley Chiu : fandom is inherently inclined to disregard corporate authority because IP owners are the enemy 16:21:18 From Amy Spitz : @Senan - yes, when there’s enough time! Unfortunately so many places don’t have enough time to do more than import records 16:21:22 From Kimberley Chiu : give the stories back to the people! 16:21:34 From Suzanne Black : and I think Leverage is/was 'out of order' on Amazon Prime, so these are ongoing battles! 16:21:34 From Kimberly Hirsh : Yeah nobody is going to give credence to anything FOX had to say about Firefly. 16:21:35 From Nele Noppe : While I adore the idea of integrating user-generated tags in academic library collections, the idea of people starting tagging wars and metadata librarians having to moderate that makes my head spin :D 16:21:43 From Kimberly Hirsh : (cf. the incredibly misleading trailers) 16:21:46 From Magnus Pfeffer : in Japanese media we have the mess that is Suzumiya Haruhi, with a "2nd" season sneakily introduced in a rerun of the 1st. 16:21:53 From Mikael Gyhagen : @Kimberly I was about to mention the same thing. There's a really interesting discussion here about ownership 16:21:59 From Melissa Hofmann : What precipitated the re-ordering? More consistent number of episodes? 16:22:04 From AbigailDe Kosnik : @Suzanne oh how weird Amazon re-ordered Leverage 16:22:22 From Claire Baker : @Magnus Haruhi has, what. Four official orders? Five? 16:22:31 From Jac Cof : Thank you Paul! 16:22:31 From Melissa Hofmann : Or some theme/nautral ending point? Or completely arbitrary? Fascinating 16:22:40 From Magnus Pfeffer : @Clair well that depends on who you ask ;) 16:22:45 From Naomi Jacobs : This is really interesting in terms of a symposium I was at this morning where a colleague was talking about how so much of our academic systems are underpinned by positivist assumptions - that there's a 'truth' to be uncovered. Sometimes there's multiple truths! 16:22:47 From Suzanne Black : @Abigail - I think it may be resolved now but there were complaints in the comments about character inconsistency 16:23:37 From AbigailDe Kosnik : @Kimberly oh yeah I can understand that for Firefly the DVD order is the “canonical” order, that makes sense. But I bet in many cases there isn’t clear basis of agreement on episode order. 16:23:56 From Magnus Pfeffer : @Clair anidb.net made 2 seasons, with 14 episodes being part of both season 1 and 2 16:24:05 From Ludovica Price : PSA; The chat will be saved and uploaded to the FanLIS website, so everyone can read back on it. :) 16:24:17 From Kimberly Hirsh : The (in my opinion a bit too rigid) binary of affirmative vs transformative fandom might be illuminating when considering positivist vs postpositivist perspectives within fandom. 16:24:28 From Kimberley Chiu : oh whoops then maybe I shouldn't have declared my antagonism towards corporate IP ownership! 16:25:35 From Ludovica Price : I'm sure it's fine @kimberley, but there's anything you want me to remove, just let me know, and I can redact it 16:25:45 From Melissa Hofmann : @Kimberly: yes re: affirmative vs. transformative 16:25:55 From carla romero : Dude I LOVE doesthedogdie.com 16:25:58 From Kimberley Chiu : no no it's okay!! I stand by it haha 16:26:10 From Kimberley Chiu : @kimberly I think that's super interesting!! 16:26:12 From Ludovica Price : I would too! I share your sentiments! 16:27:05 From carla romero : I’m raising my hand right now can you guys see it> 16:27:48 From Nele Noppe : @carla I can only see Mikael's 16:27:50 From Ludovica Price : Carla, I've allowed you to talk when Mikael is done :) 16:27:53 From Ingrid . : I have to leave but this has been really thought provoking thanks!!! 16:28:17 From Ludovica Price : You're welcome, @ingrid! We'll post the rest of the talks on the site :) 16:29:04 From Kimberly Hirsh : It's interesting to consider fans moving from one platform to another as they grow. 16:29:33 From Kimberly Hirsh : YA is a great population to think about due to the role of identity development at that stage too. 16:30:11 From Stella Wisdom : will this chat be saved and circulated? attendees don't have the option to save it 16:30:24 From Rebecca Wood : @Kimberly I believe Casey Fiesler has done some work on platform migration in fandom! 16:30:37 From Ludovica Price : Yes... it would be great to do some longitudinal studies of the same participants over time 16:30:54 From Joseph Dunne-Howrie : Based on prior webinars I don't think Zoom allows you to record the chat. 16:31:05 From Amy Spitz : Yes, comfort TV shows! 16:31:05 From Joseph Dunne-Howrie : It records the questions though 16:31:21 From Ludovica Price : @joseph - I've got an option to save the chat 16:31:23 From Amy Spitz : I have a friend who has The Office on at all times 16:31:31 From Amy Spitz : Thanks Nicole :) 16:32:00 From Joseph Dunne-Howrie : Ok, great! 16:32:22 From AbigailDe Kosnik : YES ALICE 16:33:16 From Naomi Jacobs : Perhaps we should start talking about Feels instead of affect.... 16:33:31 From Nele Noppe : I can't raise my hand or type things in the Q&A, is this because I'm still a panelist or somesuch? 16:33:48 From Kimberly Hirsh : "All the Feels" is the working title for an article my lab colleagues and I are writing about affect in makerspaces. 16:34:03 From Kimberley Chiu : i think part of this might be that acknowledging affect forces us all to think of each other as whole people, which is something people who benefit from hegemony are inherently threatened by 16:34:06 From Joseph Dunne-Howrie : I can't type things in the Q&A either Nele so I think it's because we're panellists. 16:34:07 From Amy Spitz : I have to admit, despite my BA in English Lit and all of that, “affect” is one of those terms that I know what it means but have a mental block about what it means/entails at the same time 16:34:38 From Paul Thomas : It doesn’t help that I’ve seen it used as a blanket “smart” word. 16:34:51 From Kimberley Chiu : also, it's a lot harder to dismiss affect based on "established rules" than it is to do the same for any given intellectual argument 16:34:52 From Nicolle Lamerichs : Interesting! i tend to relate emotions/affect (But view the later also as a product of social construction, not only as ontological) in my own fan studies on affective reception 16:35:02 From carla romero : Oh no I’m good 16:35:19 From carla romero : no 16:38:25 From Nele Noppe : Oh, I like that! 16:38:31 From Suzanne Black : Yes! 16:40:10 From Melissa Hofmann : Ours can...but I have not turned it on... 16:40:45 From Magnus Pfeffer : some systems allow for this 16:40:51 From Melissa Hofmann : I can't remember if you have to be logged in to see tags, or just to put tags in 16:40:58 From Amy Spitz : Some catalogs have an option for it - but usually they aren’t curated or linked together, at least in my experience 16:41:09 From Stella Wisdom : Often libraries switch the tagging option off in my experience 16:41:09 From Erin Black : LibraryThing for libraries allows this 16:41:14 From Kimberly Hirsh : My public library uses BiblioCommons and I know it adds tags but I don't know if they are visible to others. 16:41:22 From Ludovica Price : Yeah, I was going to mention LibraryThing! 16:41:47 From Rebecca Wood : WorldCat allows tagging and the creation of lists - although I don't know how popular it is among users 16:42:09 From Melissa Hofmann : I don't see our academic users doing it, sadly 16:42:10 From Nicolle Lamerichs : This? https://www.librarything.com/ Is it a sort of catalogue meets goodreads? 16:42:21 From Claire Baker : Bibliocommons also allows for comments and ratings, which is not quite tags but does allow for user feedback. 16:42:21 From Erin Black : If you search for user generated tags in library catalogs, there are several papers about it 16:42:38 From Ludovica Price : Yes, @nicolle, it's kinda like that! 16:42:40 From Nele Noppe : Awesome, thank you! 16:43:09 From Kimberly Hirsh : Ok BiblioCommons allows tags but has a controlled set of fields that are publicly visible and then a personal tags field that only you can see. 16:43:38 From Alice M. Kelly (she/her) : trigger warnings/automatons quotation comes: Spencer, Leland G., and Theresa A. Kulbaga. ‘Trigger Warnings as Respect for Student Boundaries in University Classrooms’. Journal of Curriculum and Pedagogy, vol. 15, no. 1, 2018, pp. 106–22. 16:43:40 From Nicolle Lamerichs : nice! that sounds very good! 16:43:56 From Nele Noppe : I'm going to need three days off to process all of this 16:43:57 From Suzanne Black : thanks, Alice 16:44:01 From J Nicole Miller (she/her) : I also think that for an interesting case study for end-user tagged "libraries," the computer game platform Steam could be fascinating to look at 16:44:41 From Melissa Hofmann : applause!!!!! 16:44:44 From Amy Spitz : Also of limited use when these tags in the catalog aren’t moderated so that someone’s typo makes it virtually useless for searching 16:44:45 From Erin Black : applause! 16:44:46 From Claire Baker : applause!!!! 16:44:47 From Kimberly Hirsh : @Nele I still have all my follow-up items from FSN NA in October on my to-do list... 16:44:49 From carla romero : *clap clap clap clap clap* 16:44:49 From Kimberly Hirsh : APPLAUSE! 16:44:49 From AbigailDe Kosnik : Applause!! 16:44:50 From Taylor Faires to All panelists : Applause!! 16:44:50 From Stella Wisdom : bravo 16:44:54 From Danielle Pollock to All panelists : applause!!! 16:44:54 From Eric Forcier : *applause* Thanks all! 16:44:55 From Suzanne Black : 👏👏👏 16:44:59 From Melissa Hofmann : bravx! 16:44:59 From carla romero : You guys all did such a good job!!! 16:44:59 From Naomi Jacobs : *applause* 16:45:02 From Mikael Gyhagen : 👏 16:45:09 From Amy Spitz : 👏👏👏👏👏 16:45:14 From Esther Lin : Applause! Thank you! 16:45:15 From Nele Noppe : Thank you, this was great 16:45:20 From Serena Vaswani to All panelists : 👏👏👏 16:45:29 From Serena Vaswani : 👏👏👏 16:45:37 From Colin & Eleonora : Thanks everyone! 16:45:42 From carla romero : This was literally so cool 16:46:17 From Nicolle Lamerichs : *claps* 16:48:57 From Paul Thomas : I unfortunately have to go to a meeting. It was really awesome to hear from all of you; these topics are great! 16:49:53 From Ludovica Price : Thanks, Paul! Let's keep in contact about your work - i'm really interesting about your research on the 'producer' part of the fan info beh model! 16:59:22 From carla romero : Hey guys! 16:59:44 From Nele Noppe : Was that Discord posted in the chat at any point? I feel like I saw it, but things moved too fast 16:59:50 From Colin & Eleonora : Super Abigail De Kosnik is in da house 16:59:56 From carla romero : It was yes 16:59:57 From Kimberly Hirsh : I'll pop it back in 17:00:06 From Nele Noppe : Thanks! 17:00:19 From Kimberly Hirsh : https://discord.gg/XsggXZNv 17:01:10 From Melissa Hofmann : applause 17:01:23 From Alice M. Kelly (she/her) : so excited!!!! 17:02:08 From Suzanne Black : Love 'Rogue Archives'! 17:02:24 From Colin & Eleonora : Rogue Archives is a classic 17:02:25 From Nicolle Lamerichs : a fantastic book indeed! 17:02:41 From J Nicole Miller (she/her) : Rogue Archives is iconic 17:02:51 From Alice M. Kelly (she/her) : one of the best books I've ever read, highly recommend 17:03:05 From Melissa Hofmann : savored this book not only for its ideas but its language :) 17:03:15 From carla romero : Ao3 my beloved 17:03:34 From Alice M. Kelly (she/her) : YES Melissa! the *vocabulary* <3 17:03:47 From Ludovica Price : I think we can all agree that 'Rogue Archives' is the seminal FanLIS book! 17:04:00 From J Nicole Miller (she/her) : @Ludi definitely! 17:04:07 From Melissa Hofmann : and the cadence of the sentences :) 17:05:19 From Ludovica Price : I always recommend students to contact the author if they can't access their work! 17:06:16 From Colin & Eleonora : I do it even if my publisher does not exactly support this practice… 17:10:59 From Ludovica Price : Yeah... it's so hard. Students just can't afford to break through the paywall. :( 17:16:10 From Joseph Dunne-Howrie : It's ba 17:16:20 From Joseph Dunne-Howrie : It's bad enough for academics! 17:17:17 From Colin & Eleonora : This tech genius heroes founders framing goes hand in hand with the “tech prodigal son” parable where these “tech genius” invent something that becomes (*magically*) “evil” against their will (?) and they come back *changed* asking us to trust them to save the day (even though they are the one that actually made it so) 17:18:00 From Joseph Dunne-Howrie : Explaining why we don't get paid for publishing in journals to people who don't work in academia is a good reality check. 'Yeah...this is...weird' 17:18:29 From Suzanne Black : Defoe wrote that book!!! 17:18:33 From Ludovica Price : This! 17:18:34 From Mikael Gyhagen : @Colin&Eleonora Elon Musk, and the recent BitCoin-things come to mind 17:18:52 From Colin & Eleonora : Exactly @Mikael 17:22:33 From carla romero : I’m really not sure what this has to do with sjws 17:23:13 From Nele Noppe : Chuck Wendig bringing people together 17:23:40 From Naomi Jacobs : Wow 17:24:33 From Colin & Eleonora : The case of Marion Zimmer Bradley against Jean Lamb over “Conraband”/“Masks” comes to mind 17:25:01 From Melissa Hofmann : wow 17:25:08 From Nicolle Lamerichs : this is so interesting; i had no idea of that whole discourse! 17:25:23 From Emily Friedman : My colleague Ben Pauley was talking about students referring to “copyright” as a verb meaning “copyright takedown” 17:25:31 From Taylor Faires to All panelists : I wonder if the N.K. Jemisin’s tweet is in reference to the fact that technically her reading fan’s fanfic could violate the fan’s copyright (not hers) if she were to unintentionally use those ideas in her work. I work with a copyright lawyer and she and I were talking about this the other day. 17:26:12 From Mikael Gyhagen : "Teach a student to phish" 17:26:27 From Colin & Eleonora : Well @Taylor this is the position taken by Marion Zimmer Bradley after the case 17:26:39 From Danielle Pollock to All panelists : @Emily, I now realize that I’ve done that in class 17:26:47 From Amy Spitz : “You definitely should never use this resource. I’m going to show you what it looks like and how it works so you don’t accidentally use it.” 😂 17:26:49 From Colin & Eleonora : She used to read fan fiction before 17:26:53 From J Nicole Miller (she/her) : This is really fascinating especially in relation to the trend I've seen where younger fans are questioning why fanfics on FF.Net or even just by older fans/fans who have been in fandom longer include disclaimers about ownership 17:27:14 From J Nicole Miller (she/her) : @Amy I see those kinds of posts a lot on tumblr as well and they always make me laugh! 17:27:19 From Kimberly Hirsh : WHAT THE ACTUAL. 17:27:22 From Mikael Gyhagen : @Nicole They do not know of the Anne Rice times 17:27:23 From Ludovica Price : WOW WTF 17:27:27 From Nicolle Lamerichs : wait.... what.....?! libraries are theft??! 17:27:29 From Joseph Dunne-Howrie : That's a take 17:27:33 From Nele Noppe : I review a lot of data management plans from researchers where they answer questions about how copyright applies to their research materials, and overall, they're not better at guessing how copyright works than the kids. Not surprising, imo - copyright law is so unintuitive, it's very hard to understand it correctly without guidance 17:27:37 From Colin & Eleonora : Ohh Anne Rice what a gem 17:27:37 From J Nicole Miller (she/her) : They don't know their fandom history honestly 17:27:41 From Amy Spitz : @Nicole - it’s definitely a generational difference! 17:27:52 From Stella Wisdom : Is there a Public Lending Right fund in the US? 17:27:53 From Nicolle Lamerichs : lol nele! XD 17:28:19 From Colin & Eleonora : Public libraries as piracy 17:28:28 From Colin & Eleonora : Could be the title of a book LOL 17:28:38 From Mikael Gyhagen : Memorizing is theft 17:28:50 From Naomi Jacobs : @Stella I believe there is not :( 17:29:24 From Stella Wisdom : I can see why authors may be more upset over there then 17:29:39 From Naomi Jacobs : As Scalzi and others pointed out though, the libraries still purchase the books 17:29:47 From Amy Spitz : I took a copyright class and basically my main takeaway was “Too many problems. Burn it all down.” Kind of reminds me of how unnecessarily complex US taxes are 17:30:06 From Nele Noppe : we lol, but it's a problem! People can't follow laws unless the laws sort of align with what people think is just, because nobody reads all the law books. Researchers not "getting" copyright leads to them having no idea what they're allowed to do, so very much like those kids, they shut everything down and don't reuse other materials, etc etc (the chilling effect at work) 17:30:12 From Kimberly Hirsh : My husband's whole job started out as just being the lawyer in the library who could explain copyright to you. 17:30:28 From Erin Black : The US has the first sale doctrine, which gives the person who purchased a book the right to lend it and includes libraries 17:30:46 From Erin Black : *physical book 17:31:07 From Janan Nuri : The IT Crowd version of this was hilarious 17:31:20 From J Nicole Miller (she/her) : @Janan I was just thinking of that! 17:31:21 From Colin & Eleonora : Why advertisement about piracy online is always so plain and dated and boring? 17:31:36 From carla romero : I think that like. I would steal a car from, say, Disney, if I could be sure I wouldn’t be caught? 17:31:52 From Colin & Eleonora : I remember seeing this in cinema at the beginning of every single movie in Italy 17:31:55 From carla romero : Like morally I think stealing a car from Disney would be ok 17:32:00 From Amy Spitz : “You wouldn’t download a pizza” - um, can i do that? 17:32:10 From Taylor Faires to All panelists : Early 2000s! I saw it on an old dvd the other day and absolutely cackled 17:32:11 From Kimberly Hirsh : If you encounter researchers struggling with fair use please check out Code of Best Practices for Fair Use https://cmsimpact.org/code/open-educational-resources/ which is helpful beyond just creating OER 17:32:20 From carla romero : I think morally downloading a pizza would also be ok 17:32:20 From Taylor Faires to All panelists : I absolutely would download a pizza 17:32:27 From Naomi Jacobs : @Amy - when 3D printing comes into its own... 17:32:50 From Colin & Eleonora : I will 3D printing my pizza 17:33:09 From Nele Noppe : @kimberley Thank you! I'll check that out for a template, but fair use doesn't exist in Belgium, so it probably won't apply directly 17:33:14 From Kimberly Hirsh : I think some CityLIS folks are talking with the Code authors/facilitators about creating a similar resource for UK and Fair Dealing 17:33:32 From Kimberly Hirsh : And then I know Will Cross (my husband) is working on how to extend it more globally. 17:33:58 From Nele Noppe : (......which is actually an opposite problem we encounter regularly, people not knowing much about copyright but saying that "fair use" allows them to do this and that, not realizing that fair use is not a universal thing) 17:34:27 From Colin & Eleonora : Also fair use is not so straightforward as many people think 17:34:37 From Kimberly Hirsh : Yeah, a lot of what my husband does is helpng people figure out how to make a fair use evaluation 17:34:54 From Kimberly Hirsh : And the Code of Best Practices is designed to be helpful precisely because it's not straightforward. 17:35:06 From Nele Noppe : It's so hard/impossible for individuals to wrap their heads around it 17:35:08 From Colin & Eleonora : To explain students what goes under the label “transformative” is always so challenging 17:36:11 From J Nicole Miller (she/her) : See: the whole "I whistled .03 seconds of a song in a YouTube video and got a copyright violation strike and now my ads are paying the owner of that song" nonsense 17:37:11 From Colin & Eleonora : Also the dreaded and recurring question: “so is fan fiction covered by fair use or not?” 17:37:22 From Kimberly Hirsh : SOMETIMES 17:38:09 From Amy Spitz : @Colin and Eleonora - i did my final project for my copyright class on this! tl;dr - sometimes? 17:38:35 From J Nicole Miller (she/her) : Going back to that generational difference in fandom--seeing young/newer-to-fandom fanfic writers taking fanfic commissions and posting links to their ko-fi or Patreon for writing fanfiction gives me so much anxiety! 17:38:42 From Colin & Eleonora : Sometimes is my to go place when I answer that question :) 17:38:59 From Tucker Taylor to All panelists : Fan fiction can be covered by fair use, but it depends on the specific use. 17:39:04 From Colin & Eleonora : @Amy would love to read it! 17:39:17 From Mikael Gyhagen : And then there's the mystical realm of "Substantial similarity" 17:39:51 From Nele Noppe : @Nicole I think I remember writing about how fic commissions were unthinkable in a paper like 10 years ago 17:40:22 From Colin & Eleonora : Our library now acquire just digital copies of books (if not specifically told otherwise, and you need to justify your request in case…) 17:40:31 From Matt Finch : It would be fascinating to do scenarios for the future of IP regimes... 17:40:50 From Amy Spitz : @Colin and Eleonora it was a very brief presentation but i’m happy to share the slides/my notes! DM me @amylizbrarian on twitter or discord 17:41:05 From Colin & Eleonora : @Nele how story has failed us on this ;) 17:41:10 From Kimberly Hirsh : UNC library has gone to all e-book purchases since the start of the pandemic. I'll be interested to see if that continues in the fall. 17:41:37 From Naomi Jacobs : I went to a seminar last week by someone who does research on a well-known Iranian film maker, many of whose early films were not available easily. She contacted her and asked if she could have copies of the films,, and offered to host them on a dropbox so they could be made available, which offer was accepted so the researcher is now acting in effect as an archive of these films. 17:41:45 From J Nicole Miller (she/her) : That makes me think of the Macmillan eBook embargo situation and how it took so much fighting to get them to reverse that decision 17:42:17 From Ludovica Price : OMG, @naomi, at SOAS we have SOOOOO much difficulty sourcing streaming videos from small overseas film makers! T_T 17:42:21 From Ludovica Price : It's really hard 17:42:28 From Nicolle Lamerichs : hmhm, it's interesting right NIcole?I don't mind the monetization of fan fiction per se (I think fandom and other fan practices as free labor by default is not always sustainable or good for the creatives) But when it's not that good quality, it is a bit weird yeah. But I do think the patreons & the like can make the decision on what to support. It has tremendous implications for fan studies though and how we need to rethink this shift to alternative business models. 17:43:00 From Ludovica Price : @nicolle yes, I'm amazed at the amount of printed fanfic on sale out there 17:43:37 From Nele Noppe : In Old Guard fandom, people are wanting to check out the Dutch/Italian/etc actors' previous films, but these are hard to access because they're all "small" European films that aren't easily or legally available. So people share google drives with the films 17:43:56 From Colin & Eleonora : @Ludi @Nicole @Nele I am super amazed by this old/new fan practice of binding fanfics 17:44:40 From Nicolle Lamerichs : Great point, infrastructuralism is such a big turn (e.g. system thinking, deeper attention to processes and networks in scholarship and business) I never thought of it being an individual process too though! 17:44:41 From Stella Wisdom : Netflix are hiring cataloguers at the moment: https://jobs.netflix.com/jobs/83698948 17:45:11 From Amy Spitz : I took the “binding fanfics” part literally back in the day and kept them in a three-ring binder 😂 17:45:13 From J Nicole Miller (she/her) : @Nele, The Old Guard is the best action movie I've ever watched and I am obsessed with it 17:45:28 From Nele Noppe : The aghast reactions against the idea of paying money for fic that were more common some years ago in English-speaking fandoms were very interesting in the light of the exact opposite going on in Japanese-speaking fandoms 17:45:36 From J Nicole Miller (she/her) : @Nicolle there's an interesting comparison here where fan artists can sell their work, but fanfic writers can't 17:46:02 From Nele Noppe : Ah yes my interest in The Old Guard is purely academic of course 17:46:11 From Ludovica Price : @amy, there was an awesome Tumblr thread on this phenomenon 17:46:24 From J Nicole Miller (she/her) : @Nicolle I also see a lot of implications here when it comes to author burnout, especially when they don't get comments or reblogs on Tumblr while fan artists are more likely to get those reblogs and shares 17:46:26 From Ludovica Price : I am collecting self-published fanfic. 17:46:32 From Kimberly Hirsh : @Nicole and @Nicolle I think there was a Fansplaining episode where they discussed the contrast of commercialization in fan art v fanfic 17:47:09 From J Nicole Miller (she/her) : @Kimberly ooooh! Definitely going to check that out! 17:47:14 From Naomi Jacobs : I can't remember specifically but I remember feeling like that Fansplaining ep didn't quite get into some of the historical context that contributes so much to it (imo) 17:47:40 From Amy Spitz : @Ludovica - Jackson Bird (a fandom person & trans activist) tweeted about it once a while back as well: https://twitter.com/jackisnotabird/status/942248472681598976?s=20 17:47:41 From Colin & Eleonora : I agree @Naomi 17:48:03 From Kimberly Hirsh : <3 Jackson Bird 17:48:32 From Nicolle Lamerichs : agreed with the differences between fanfic/fan art, absolutely. And again, for each practice and how/if it's monetized you need to look closely at what's going on (also at a local level btw since this is not the same across cultures). My own speciality is cosplay and how folks monetize there is again soooo different and intimately related to commissions but also streaming, performances, and the like. 17:49:16 From Tucker Taylor : Library Futures (www.libraryfutures.net) has been working on some of the issues. There are so many problems with libraries and our digital rights, and how we can support our patrons. So excited by this session! 17:49:21 From Colin & Eleonora : @Nicolle I thought about you when they asked me to talk about fanlys 17:50:06 From Colin & Eleonora : I remember thinking that Deleuze was an absolute pirate when in film school 17:50:41 From Kimberly Hirsh : APPLAUSE! 17:50:42 From Suzanne Black : Thank you! 17:50:43 From Naomi Jacobs : *applause* 17:50:43 From Nicolle Lamerichs : omg applause!!!! 17:50:44 From Colin & Eleonora : Thank you!!! 17:50:46 From Taylor Faires to All panelists : Thank you!! 17:50:47 From J Nicole Miller (she/her) : Thank you!!!! 17:50:49 From Alice M. Kelly (she/her) : AMAZING!!!! 17:50:50 From Mélanie Bourdaa : Thank you 17:50:51 From Danielle Pollock to All panelists : applause! 17:50:51 From Stella Wisdom : that was fabulous 17:50:52 From Nele Noppe : Thank you!! 17:50:53 From Claire Baker : applause!!! 17:50:53 From Eric Forcier : Thanks you!! 17:50:53 From Nicolle Lamerichs : very very insightful!!! thank you!!! 17:50:55 From Janan Nuri : That was fantastic! so interesting <3 17:50:57 From Sarah Kate Merry : Fab thank you so much! 17:50:58 From Colin & Eleonora : So much food for thoughts 17:51:01 From Rebecca Williams : Fantastic talk! Thank you 17:51:02 From Mikael Gyhagen : Thank you! *applause* 17:51:04 From Amy Spitz : 👏 17:51:06 From carla romero : This was literally so good and so interesting 17:51:06 From Aris Emmanouloudis to All panelists : So much applause! 17:51:06 From Nicolle Lamerichs : envision our loud clapping!!! 17:51:13 From Jac Cof : That was incredible - thank you! 17:51:18 From Aris Emmanouloudis : So much applause! 17:51:18 From Rhiannon Hartwell : 👏 17:51:18 From carla romero : Clap clap clap clap clap 17:51:32 From Juliana Soares Lima to All panelists : 👏👏👏👏👏 17:51:52 From Nele Noppe : Question: If you could ask academic libraries to do one (or two) things differently, what would it be? 17:52:22 From Ludovica Price : @nele - got your question! :) 17:52:30 From Nele Noppe : Thanks! 17:54:41 From Colin & Eleonora : I cannot raise my hand so Question: do you think that there is a generational gap in our perception of what piracy means? While doing research on young audiences and their media usage it seems to me that sometimes we are talking about 2 different things 17:54:56 From Ludovica Price : Got your question @colin - thanks! 17:55:07 From J Nicole Miller (she/her) : Question: Do you have any thoughts on how NFTs might fit into your work on fans, piracy, and archives? 17:55:17 From carla romero : Ewww I hate nfts 17:55:23 From Colin & Eleonora : It’s from @Ele Ludi ;) 17:55:31 From J Nicole Miller (she/her) : @carla They're terrible but fascinating 17:55:33 From Tucker Taylor : In some ways, copyright could be considered a monopoly and thus anti-capitalist. I feel like we've strayed very far from the original purpose of copyright to move us forward as a culture, promotion of science and the useful arts. 17:55:50 From Ludovica Price : OK, thanks @colin 17:56:00 From Kimberly Hirsh : Tucker +1 17:57:44 From Ludovica Price : +2 17:58:43 From Nele Noppe : I love this discussion 17:59:31 From Colin & Eleonora : Libraries banding together and subscribing to Sci-hub seems a fanfic in the work 17:59:46 From Colin & Eleonora : I think we should write this fanfic 17:59:57 From Naomi Jacobs : Question: do you think the move away from the institutional infrastructures is mainly because of the lack of wider support (defunding etc) and therefore if the support returned, would people go back towards these models? Or are they done with? 18:00:34 From Mikael Gyhagen : @Tucker "Sadly" the perception of capitalism has shifted a lot. I think there are a lot of people out there who perceive a monopoly as "being best at capitalism" 18:00:38 From Nele Noppe : Thank you! 18:01:11 From Tucker Taylor : @mikael +1 !!! 18:01:25 From carla romero : Are there any specific, plausible reforms that you think would improve our copyright systems? 18:02:15 From Tucker Taylor : @carla, I want to see digital right of first sale, and also formal OK on controlled digital lending. there are so many good ideas out there. 18:02:58 From carla romero : I think neither downloading or streaming media are wrong personally 18:03:07 From carla romero : Go download a car 18:03:13 From Amy Spitz : Piracy Lite™️ 18:03:15 From Colin & Eleonora : That’s so interesting that young pirates feel different level of “wrongness” and different level of wrong compared with older pirate 18:03:47 From Naomi Jacobs : I can definitely understand the idea that streaming 'feels' less bad than downloading. I'm not sure why! 18:04:04 From Colin & Eleonora : In Switzerland streaming is not piracy for instance and this also change perception of piracy in young audiences 18:04:23 From Nele Noppe : Streaming feels less deliberate? Like whoops, I just slipped and landed on this web page 18:04:37 From Tucker Taylor : The penalties under copyright law in the US are ridiculous. 18:04:42 From Melissa Hofmann : @Nele LOL 18:04:45 From Colin & Eleonora : @Nele slipping into streaming 18:04:48 From AbigailDe Kosnik : Sorry for my wonky connection! 18:04:56 From Matt Finch : It's a conspiracy - Big IP holders intervening now that we talk about streaming ;) 18:05:02 From Suzanne Black : Streaming feels like reading a newspaper over someone's shoulder rather than taking ownership of an object, I guess? 18:05:11 From Colin & Eleonora : @Suzanne LOL 18:05:15 From Amy Spitz : @Naomi perhaps because it feels like buying clothes for an interview, wearing them once, and returning them VS stealing stuff to keep it 18:05:27 From Mikael Gyhagen : @Matt *SNRK* 18:06:43 From Colin & Eleonora : I remember being shocked when I started to live in Switzerland learning that streaming was absolutely fine while downloading was illegal even if we were talking about the same product 18:06:59 From Nele Noppe : Serious question, does anyone know why airplane entertainment systems always have episode 3, 5, and 16 of a series? 18:07:10 From Mikael Gyhagen : A great example of this are the lost Dr. Who episodes 18:07:15 From Colin & Eleonora : This completely changed my way of experience American TV shows and Anime (before official streaming platforms were a thing) 18:07:38 From Rhiannon Hartwell : Thank you so much! 18:07:51 From Amy Spitz : As someone who once spent 3 hours on a saturday night trying to track down one specific british comedy sketch from the 1990s, I strongly support fans archiving to supplement at the very least! 18:07:54 From AbigailDe Kosnik : THANK YOU!!!!! 18:07:55 From Sarah Kate Merry : @Mikael and the last-found version of Fritz Lang's Metropolis 18:07:56 From Colin & Eleonora : @Mikael that is indeed a very good example of that 18:08:11 From Kimberly Hirsh : applause again! 18:08:13 From Rhiannon Hartwell : 👏 👏 👏 18:08:13 From Claire Baker : APPLAUSE!!!!! 18:08:16 From Melissa Hofmann : clap thundersous applause! 18:08:16 From Serena Vaswani to All panelists : 👏👏👏 18:08:17 From Colin & Eleonora : Thank you!!!! 18:08:17 From Suzanne Black : 👏👏👏👏👏👏 18:08:18 From Janan Nuri : applause <3 18:08:18 From Naomi Jacobs : *applause* 18:08:19 From Nicolle Lamerichs : applauuuuse 18:08:20 From Elyan Stenel to All panelists : Applause! 18:08:22 From Sarah Kate Merry : applause applause 18:08:23 From Amy Spitz : 👏👏👏👏👏👏 18:08:23 From carla romero : This was so cool dude 18:08:24 From Danielle Pollock to All panelists : applause!!! 18:08:25 From Tucker Taylor : Huzzah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 18:08:27 From Mikael Gyhagen : 👏👏👏👏👏👏 18:08:27 From Stella Wisdom : thanks for an amazing event 18:08:27 From Nele Noppe : Thank you, Abigail! 18:08:33 From Serena Vaswani : Thank you very much for such an enlightening and fun symposium! 👏👏👏 18:08:37 From Melissa Hofmann : Thank you for this whole day!!!! 18:08:38 From Penny Hayden : This was so amazing! Thank you everyone!! 18:08:42 From Naomi Jacobs : This session was fantastic as was the whole symposium 18:08:58 From Amy Spitz : Thank you for this whole event! It’s been incredibly inspiring and energizing 18:09:01 From J Nicole Miller (she/her) : Thank you so much! This has been such a FANtastic symposium!!! ;) 18:09:05 From Claire Baker : Thank you for putting this together, and to all of the presenters. It’s been a wonderful symposium! 18:09:11 From Magnus Pfeffer : Thanks for organizing the workshop! 18:09:12 From Matt Finch : Nice work, all 18:09:21 From Kimberly Hirsh : Thank you Ludi and Lyn and CityLIS! 18:09:25 From Colin & Eleonora : Thanks everyone! 18:09:25 From Kimberly Hirsh : Thank you panelists! 18:09:26 From Mélanie Bourdaa : Thank you for organizing the event and for all the talks 18:09:37 From Zoltan Kacsuk : It was an awesome event, thank you so much! 18:09:39 From Colin & Eleonora : @Ludi count on it 18:09:40 From Rhiannon Hartwell : Thank you for organising such a brilliant event, so many interesting perspectives and ideas! 18:09:47 From Eric Forcier : Thank you so much for this event! It has been very enlightening and pumps up my enthusiasm for this area of scholarship 18:10:00 From Joseph Dunne-Howrie : https://blogs.city.ac.uk/citylis/#.YKaYMqhKjIU 18:10:06 From Colin & Eleonora : This event was refreshing and such a learning space 18:10:28 From Joseph Dunne-Howrie : All things CityLIS 18:10:49 From Joseph Dunne-Howrie : Keep in touch #CityLIS 18:11:25 From Zoltan Kacsuk : regarding video games: https://diggr.link/ 18:11:36 From Magnus Pfeffer : A student of mine will investigate ways to use enthusiast data to improve public libraries manga collection searchability in her B.A. thesis in the coming months. 18:12:08 From Mikael Gyhagen : Thank you so muck for making this happen, and I'm very much looking forward to seeing what will develop next ^^ 18:12:25 From Linnea Minich : Can someone share the doc address again? I missed it the first time. 18:12:50 From Mikael Gyhagen : This one? https://docs.google.com/document/d/19PbNM8WwUVR8J4PDkm2w0Y9cLHa6sVoRt02ivgGdj9A/edit# 18:13:00 From Linnea Minich : Thank you! 18:13:05 From Alice M. Kelly (she/her) : Thanks Ludi! 18:14:02 From J Nicole Miller (she/her) : Definitely something I'm interested in doing! 18:14:57 From Mikael Gyhagen : @J Same! Maybe through the Way back machine? Unsure how to approach it... 18:15:39 From Sarah Kate Merry : Please share the chat - I don't think regular attendees can save it 18:16:01 From Stella Wisdom : I would love a copy of the chat, I can't save it 18:16:05 From Kimberly Hirsh : Yay proceedings! 18:16:05 From Amy Spitz : @Nicole and @Mikael - not sure on retroactively look at this, but definitely could start with current teens and stick with them! Especially Nicole - seeing your teens right now vs by the end of the PhD would be awesome 18:16:19 From Kimberly Hirsh : Yep 18:16:30 From carla romero : The chat is so fun you guys- you’re all so cool 18:16:32 From Nicolle Lamerichs : Thank you ludi, this was fantastic! (Hope the TWC proceedings work out) 18:16:47 From J Nicole Miller (she/her) : @Amy that's a great idea! I'd love to do a project like that! 18:17:13 From Janan Nuri : More #FanLIS! 18:17:24 From Naomi Jacobs : Thank you so much for organising this! 18:17:30 From Aris Emmanouloudis : *applause* 18:17:31 From Amy Spitz : @Nicole we’re overdue for a chat (remember planning “coffee and FanLIS discussion” in the before times? 😭) 18:17:33 From Danielle Pollock to All panelists : Thank you so much! 18:17:35 From Alice M. Kelly (she/her) : Thank you so much for all your hard work organising!! 18:17:39 From Senan Kiryakos : 👏 18:17:55 From Colin & Eleonora : Many thanks for organizing this! 18:17:58 From Mikael Gyhagen : Thank you again for hosting, and to all the panelists! It's been a great experience 18:18:00 From Claire Baker : Thank you so much for organizing! * applause!!! * 18:18:01 From J Nicole Miller (she/her) : @Amy If you're ever in the DC area, maybe we can make that happen haha 18:18:04 From Janan Nuri : Thank you so much for organising and to all panelists and speakers <3 18:18:07 From Jac Cof : Thank you! 18:18:08 From Danielle Pollock : Thank you all so much! 18:18:09 From Linnea Minich : Thank you so much! 18:18:14 From Suzanne Black : Thank you! 18:18:16 From Lyn Robinson : Thank you to everyone for joining us at #FanLIS today! Special thanks to our keynote speaker Abigail De Kosnik and to Ludi for her smashing work and input! Shoutout to all our speakers! 18:18:17 From Nicolle Lamerichs : thanks everyone, this was so inspiring! 18:18:20 From Amy Spitz : @Nicole e- might be moving to maryland - i’ll dm you! 18:18:24 From Eric Forcier : Thank you for organizing! 18:18:24 From J Nicole Miller (she/her) : Thank you!!!! 18:18:26 From Nele Noppe : As soon as we know more about the proceedings in TWC possibilities, I'll definitely email everyone in the doc about how we go forward! 18:18:26 From Naomi Jacobs : *applause* 18:18:27 From Claire Baker : * applause!!! * 18:18:27 From Melissa Hofmann : Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!! 18:18:29 From Amy Spitz : Thank you again to everyone! 18:18:30 From Nicolle Lamerichs : claps! 18:18:32 From Linnea Minich : clap clap clap clap!!!! 18:18:32 From Rebecca Wood : Thank you all!! 18:18:32 From Magnus Pfeffer : *applause* 18:18:33 From Zoltan Kacsuk : thank you! :) 18:18:33 From Tucker Taylor : Thank you for all the work it took to put this together! 18:18:34 From Qiuyan Guo to All panelists : Thank you!! 18:18:34 From carla romero : Clap clap clap clap clap 18:18:35 From Stella Wisdom : Thanks to everyone it was wonderful 18:18:36 From Nele Noppe : Thank youuuuu 18:18:37 From Melissa Hofmann : *********applause********* 18:18:45 From Kimberly Hirsh : Thank you all so much! Staying muted bc I'm in the office with my husband who is also on a call 18:18:46 From AbigailDe Kosnik : APPLAUSE!!!!! 18:19:00 From carla romero : Bye guys!! It was so cool to meet you all 18:19:14 From carla romero : In the chat 18:19:19 From Kimberly Hirsh : Bye everybody! 18:19:23 From Claire Baker : Take care! 18:19:24 From Danielle Pollock : Bye! 18:19:25 From Stella Wisdom : byee 18:19:49 From Mikael Gyhagen : Bye all! I hope to see you all on Discord ^^